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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone episode number

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for the 30th of march 2014 richard

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saunders here with you from sydney

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australia

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and uh i just i noticed the other day

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the new uh russell crowe movie um

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noah has opened it's very appropriate i

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think because in the last week here in

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sydney we've had

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a biblical flood well we've had lots of

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rain i'll put it that way

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and i happened

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to be

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last monday driving

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down through sydney to the south coast

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to visit my mother

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the heavens opened

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not some biblical references today yes

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it was incredible one of the worst

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driving conditions i've ever seen in my

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but you don't want to hear about that no

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no you want to hear about what's coming

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up on the skeptic zone this week we

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travel to mars once again with our good

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friend dr bashir saab who

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was uh in the past week or so

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locked away in the utah desert in a mars

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simulation now some skeptics own

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listeners sent dr saab some questions

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and he replies this week on the skeptic

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zone so we learn a little bit more about

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what it's like for him and his team his

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to be

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simulating a mission to mars that's

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coming up at the top of the show

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following that it's some media clips

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some media clips in the past week

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there's been some stats released here in

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australia about the

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where there are pockets of very low

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vaccination and this made the news there

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was lots of comment

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we're going to hear a radio clip with a

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comment a comment from the shadow

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minister of health here in new south

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wales which i think you'll find

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quite blunt and then we're going to hear

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a clip from a show a tv show called

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studio 10 which is uh taped right here

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i've actually been in the audience for

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studio 10 it's it's a lot of fun it's a

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sort of an infomercial chatting sort of

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morning type show

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but wow

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wait till you hear what one of their

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regular hosts joe hildebrand

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has to say about the vaccination issue

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the other voices you'll hear are ida

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buttrose sarah harris and jessica rowe

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but joe hildebrand certainly doesn't

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and following that a message from our

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good friend bob blaskowitz

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uh regarding the bazinski clinic

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and a new petition that's been set up

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some very interesting and important news

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the uh continuing saga of the brzezinski

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and then for a change of pace uh the

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other night here in sydney we had a uh

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australian skeptic's dinner we have them

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four times a year it's a great turnout a

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lovely dinner and a good talk from katan

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joshi about he called it anything

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syndrome sort of like wind farm syndrome

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or cell phone tower syndrome or mobile

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phone syndromes would say in australia

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dinner crowd and i thought i'd include

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that in this episode of the zone

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sorry if you weren't there and you're

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wondering what it's like to go to an

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australian skeptic's dinner meeting

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you'll get a a taste of it what do we

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talk about what do i say find out later

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on following that it's a week in science

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from our good friends at the royal

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institution of australia www.riaus.

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you and i noticed their director dr paul

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willis who

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has heard many times on the skeptic zone

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he's been swarming around the antarctic

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looking at penguins and interesting

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we might line up an interview with a

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doctor willis he tells me

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he's been to the antarctic many times he

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tells me once he went down there and he

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found a plesiosaur

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as you do

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it's a message from

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scam watch from the a triple c scam

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watch they put out a newsletter which i

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i get every now and then it's very good

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advice this is all about something i

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think is a worldwide

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problem this is uh this is scammers

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ringing you up and telling you your

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computer's infected

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with a virus

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so i'll read out the advice

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from the australian government's

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scam watch and as i talk the rain has

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come back i can just hear it patterning

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on the roof i better run downstairs and

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make sure my ark is stocked

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stocked with lots of uh

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cat food for fred the cat

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well i do that i hope you enjoy the

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losing the best

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as i record this in the desert of utah

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at the mars desert research station crew

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testing to see if they can live together

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encased in a full space suit

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well our friend dr bashira saab is the

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crew biologist and science officer a

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couple of weeks ago i asked listeners of

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the skeptic zone to send questions to dr

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and here are some questions with his

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answers direct from mars

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or the next best thing

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colleen from oxford in england writes

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hello dr saab are most of the people

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with you men or women does it make

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i'm outside on ede right now

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it's not awkward at all with these

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hi i have a question for you bash

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who's asked us what we hope to learn

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and now we go with

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with uh

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with our executive officer

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thanks

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is roman gonzalez

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now we'll go to uh crew

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engineer

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hi my name is jay burger i'm the crew

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engineer

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so i take care of all the functional

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activities around the hab water

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electricity atvs the spacesuits

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but yeah so my background is eva

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so that's what my research

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is about here so kind of testing two

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things one

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we're using a quadcopter to take some

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photographs to do reconnaissance before

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we

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mountainous or there's too many boulders

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or just to make sure we can get where we

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want to go

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and then the other part is uh testing uh

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autonomy during an eva versus a detailed

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timeline or something very planned out

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and uh so we've done both scenarios and

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um yeah it seems like the best bet is to

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so that's what i've been doing here

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sweet

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thanks

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and i'll bring to the mission

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crew commander

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um my name is jamie gwinnett and i'm the

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commander for crew 138 none of my

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research was approved to do here so i am

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actually using this as kind of like a

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scouting mission or proof of concept

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mission to

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possibly conduct some

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future research on benefits of exercise

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countermeasures in a confined living

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environment such as mdrs but then also

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i'm interested in characterizing a

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typical mars eva work day so

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there's a battery of tests that will

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include various functional tasks that

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one might expect a crew member to

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perform on the service of mars

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super all right thanks can everybody say

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desert research station by visiting

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the virtual skeptics it's like meet the

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some of sydney's wealthiest suburbs have

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the lowest vaccination rates new figures

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show only about 80 percent of

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five-year-olds in manly paddington and

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annandale are fully immunized shadow

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health minister andrew mcdonald says

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anti-vaccine groups are spreading

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misinformation it's a worldwide

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phenomena that some of the wealthier

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areas have lower immunization rates

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groups such as the australian

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vaccination network are evil they've

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been forced to change their name but

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already some of the damage that they

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welcome back to studio 10 now some of

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australia's most affluent suburbs have

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the lowest rates of child immunisation

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that's according to new research that

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has doctors warning outbreaks of measles

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and other infectious diseases could have

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devastating effects

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jane

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what do you make of this

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well

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my first child almost died of a

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condition you cannot vaccinate against

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vaccinate against rsv positive

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bronchiolitis and i would recommend that

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anyone who is considering not

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vaccinating their child spend at least a

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week in the intensive care unit of a

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children's hospital and have a look at

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what happens in those places and how

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sick children can get i can tell you

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when we came out of there

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i immunized my children against

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absolutely everything you possibly think

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of yeah

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it is it is a

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it is a terrible terrible risk to take

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with your own children but because we

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need the herd um effect of immunisation

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it is also a terrible risk you take with

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other people's children it's wicked i

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think it's absolutely wicked of parents

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to say oh no no because i've read online

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because i've heard from this naturopath

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that there are these risks i'm not going

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to immunize my children okay

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that's your business but the thing is as

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you say because it puts other kids at

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risk other kids who are immunized it is

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really really dangerous and it makes me

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incredibly cross what do you make of the

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link between uh affluent suburbs and the

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lack of immunisation what do you think

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is going on here i think there's

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basically and we know that it's at the

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affluent suburbs in the eastern suburbs

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and some of the suburbs of sydney and i

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would think also other major

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countries

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um and also of course there's stupid

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hippies up in the

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uh north coast but i guess the question

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is why are educated people making really

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uneducated decisions about ourselves in

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some ways it's kind of because i think

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they feel like they have the luxury too

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they feel like they know better they

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think that they know better than trained

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doctors they think they know better than

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scientists who have worked for

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generations if not centuries to wipe out

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these diseases and the idea that this

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could all be undone by some stupid

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bloody know-it-all i just googled

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absolutely absolutely disgraceful to

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think that in a 21st century western

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society we have these morons who are

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endangering the lives not only of their

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own children but of completely innocent

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children around them and quite frankly

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if you do not vaccinate your children

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you are putting lives at risk and you

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are a bad bad bad parent and a bad bad

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sorry you do have every right to not

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vaccinate yourself i've got to say you

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do it is your choice that you have every

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right not to vaccinate your children

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you're just going to have to be fenced

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off in a little cabin somewhere in the

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middle of the desert

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and maybe you can get some letters from

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okay they're trying to wipe out the

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species i think it's only fair that we

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look yeah i i i i can't believe people

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still listen to anybody anti-vaxxers

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it's just isn't it

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nonsensical it's part of this whole

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anti-science thing that's going on at

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the moment though yeah we're across the

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board we're it's no longer believing

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facts and actual proof and medicine and

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scientists and things about the climate

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and the planet it's the picking and

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choosing as well like this is what

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drives me absolutely crazy so you'll

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have a bunch of hippies who say oh but

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the science of climate change is not

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something

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they'll go oh but you know you know

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eradicating diseases like polio well you

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know what about this other conspiracy

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theory website like it's just you know

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the scientists are right they're smarter

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than you and me i'm not

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i'm not going to vaccinate my kids but

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i'm going to inject botox into my face

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what i'm saying is you know like i'm

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standing up for the people who use botox

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it's better to vaccinate your kids

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it's very simple just do whatever your

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let's move on

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so

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foreign

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hello i'm marit and i'm kristen and we

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want to let you know that there are lots

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of norwegian skeptics for you to get to

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know there are blogs and pubmed and a

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podcast and the norwegian skeptics also

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do paranormal tests and consumer

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activism to find out more google

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this is bob blaskowitz from the

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houstoncancerquack.com and the other

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brzezinski patient group last week

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skeptics around the world received some

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disturbing news the food and drug

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administration the governmental body

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that oversees and regulates

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pharmaceuticals in the states quietly

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announced that they were allowing a

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number of cancer patients mostly

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children with brain tumors to begin

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receiving anti-neoplastins

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the signature drug of the houston cancer

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quack stanislav brzezinski to bring you

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up to speed brzezinski is the sole

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manufacturer of this chemotherapy and

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for the last 15 years or so he's been

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limited to administering it to patients

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as part of clinical trials those trials

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were placed on a partial clinical hold

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for all patients in 2012 after a child

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died with an easily lethal sodium level

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elevated sodium being a known side

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effect of antineoplastins there's no

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compelling evidence that antineoplastins

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are any more effective at treating brain

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cancer than giving the tumors a stern

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talking to but that's never stopped

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brzezinski from charging hundreds of

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thousands of dollars to the most

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desperate patients in their families who

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often resort to begging for money in the

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press to be put on his clinical trials

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since then brzezinski has been in a

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world of hurt as mainstream media has

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become less permissive of his claims

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last spring the bbc's investigative news

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show panorama produced a scathing

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documentary about him that highlighted

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patients in the uk he promised us that

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we'd see his results very soon but so

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far that still hasn't happened

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in the us usa today published a damning

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feature article on their front page

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about brzezinski and have been following

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the saga to bring this quack to heal

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ever since and what a saga it's been in

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november the fda released perhaps the

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most unthinkable list of observations

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from a site visit that took place the

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previous january the fda inspectors

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found over 100 overdoses and no evidence

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that the clinic made any effort to

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prevent new ones from occurring

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two-thirds of his reported outcomes

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didn't meet the criteria for outcomes

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defined in his protocols he failed to

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report adverse events in a timely manner

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and failed to protect the rights of

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patients and on and on

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in the warning letter that followed

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these inspections the fda asked the

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clinic to clarify why it had received

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two different versions of the dead

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child's medical records from the clinic

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whoops and lastly he's in front of the

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texas medical board again

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but despite this host of abominations

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desperate cancer patients have turned up

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the heat on congress demanding access to

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brzezinski's unproven unpromising and

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until recently completely unavailable

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drug

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brzezinski supporters enthusiastically

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paraded dying children in front of

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politicians and in the local press they

564
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hired a lobbyist and even got sami hagar

565
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,080
on board they went to washington and

566
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:40,480
then the unthinkable happened the fda

567
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:41,919
agreed to allow these patients

568
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,799
compassionate access to anti-neoplastins

569
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,520
but with one caveat that brzezinski is

570
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,840
not the researcher

571
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,760
in some ways an orec has pointed this

572
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,480
out it's a very cynical decision even a

573
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,400
little cruel since in order to get the

574
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,320
drugs it seems that an oncologist other

575
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,159
than brzezinski must not only accept

576
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,600
responsibility and fill out the

577
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,679
paperwork for the exemptions but an

578
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,679
independent institutional review board

579
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,840
will have to sign off on them this seems

580
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,440
unlikely in the extreme as long as

581
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,520
anybody on the ethics panel has access

582
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:13,760
to google as a result the fda

583
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:16,240
inexplicably has dangled the illusion of

584
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,600
illusory hope in front of these patients

585
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,279
sadly as i write this it's my

586
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understanding that at least two of the

587
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,559
patients used in this campaign are in

588
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comas and no longer responsive

589
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,120
it is urgent then that skeptics make

590
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,880
their presence known in washington at

591
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,120
this critical moment the skeptics for

592
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,559
the protection of cancer patients have

593
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,039
started a petition on change.org to

594
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alert members of congress to the horrors

595
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,120
that the fda found inside the clinic

596
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,039
it's crucial that we garner as many

597
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signatures as humanly possible given the

598
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,360
massive amount of support children with

599
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,840
cancer can garner very quickly one

600
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petition on behalf of brzezinski to the

601
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,320
white house gathered over one hundred

602
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,039
thousand signatures very very quickly no

603
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,559
group of skeptics will ever have that

604
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,600
type of reach however we have evidence

605
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,760
and those fda documents are purest

606
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,760
poison to brzezinski's claims

607
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,600
we want congress to know that brzezinski

608
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,039
squandered the benefit of the doubt

609
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,880
extended to him by washington and the

610
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,679
fda in the 1990s that he doesn't deserve

611
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,039
another shot

612
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,880
crucially we don't need to persuade

613
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,480
congress to act we simply need to

614
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,559
convince them to not take brzezinski's

615
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,520
side

616
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,960
that'll be enough to deny him the

617
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:24,559
congressional hearing his supporters

618
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,360
seek

619
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,600
it's doable if every skeptic who hears

620
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,600
this registers their displeasure and i

621
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,799
hope you will

622
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,600
not one in ten not one in five

623
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:35,279
but you

624
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:36,840
please go to the

625
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,799
houstoncancerquack.com a link to our

626
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,200
petition is front and center on the page

627
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,200
once you sign the skeptics for the

628
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,720
protection of cancer patients will do

629
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,320
the rest we will

630
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,679
but we want to have something

631
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:49,440
substantial to hand to our congress

632
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,320
people

633
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,000
listen the information that we have is

634
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,240
so damning that if brzezinski somehow

635
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,159
continues to practice it will be

636
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,000
skeptic's fault that we haven't done

637
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,840
enough advocacy

638
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,919
please go to the houstoncancerquest.com

639
00:28:06,909 --> 00:28:04,240
and sign the petition and protect cancer

640
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,919
patients this is bob lasquez from the

641
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:08,720
houstoncancerquack.com and the other

642
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,750
hey everybody my name is skeptic society

643
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,760
russia come visit us in moscow in our

644
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,840
bi-weekly meetings and also listen to

645
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,200
our weekly podcast which is called

646
00:29:10,950 --> 00:28:51,120
skeptic and the site where you can find

647
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,630
hello good evening and welcome to the

648
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,440
australian skeptics dinner meeting this

649
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,360
evening my name is richard saunders i'm

650
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,840
the president of the australian skeptics

651
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,240
here in new south wales it's a great

652
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,760
pleasure to see you all come along here

653
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,919
tonight to hear katan joshi talking

654
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,240
about wind farms

655
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:30,399
and

656
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:34,880
interesting year it's been my friends in

657
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,159
the world of skepticism so far

658
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,760
i know it's been an interesting year

659
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,760
because i've got the the sort of the

660
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,159
sneak peek the inside information about

661
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,720
what's coming up this year thanks to our

662
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,480
friends at the international psychics

663
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,590
oh yes yes every uh every january or so

664
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,120
they have a wonderful

665
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,120
segment in their magazine

666
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:01,360
tomorrow's news today top predictions

667
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,640
for 2014. it's all here

668
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,720
australia's best psychics telling you

669
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,960
what's coming this year turning to the

670
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:10,799
part where they mention the death of

671
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,149
sorry i'll try another one

672
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:19,840
the missing malaysian flight this is

673
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:34,149
the annexation of the crimea big news

674
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,830
well they did predict

675
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,360
now given one thing they did predict

676
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:44,799
earthquakes and today we had an

677
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,000
earthquake in los angeles 5.1 i hear

678
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:49,520
except they said it would be in

679
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:54,470
just a little bit

680
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,000
off in their magical predictions

681
00:31:01,510 --> 00:31:00,159
we can make light of this uh in fact we

682
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,520
should

683
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:04,000
i've been collecting these magazines now

684
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,360
for

685
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,080
six or seven years

686
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,880
and i've i do something that uh

687
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,279
certainly none of the news media do i go

688
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,120
through each prediction at the end of

689
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,919
the year and give it a fair go you know

690
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,399
did it come true is it too vague what

691
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,559
are we looking at here

692
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,000
and the average

693
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,720
averaging out of the last six years of

694
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,480
predictions in the australian psychics

695
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:29,679
directory

696
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,360
their score is five percent

697
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,200
five and that's being generous because

698
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,039
some things are a bit vague and you can

699
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,880
look at it one way or look at another i

700
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,519
tried to to be generous

701
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,840
basically the the rule of thumb is

702
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,399
if what happens is usually not predicted

703
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,720
and what is usually predicted

704
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,480
doesn't happen

705
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:52,080
that's that's the way it goes but you

706
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,279
know

707
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,880
it's a free society they're welcome to

708
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,559
publish their magazine and

709
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,159
put in their predictions in fact you can

710
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:59,440
try it yourselves you can make

711
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:00,640
predictions for the next three months

712
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,679
and see how many come true

713
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:05,440
maybe you would be

714
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,559
more

715
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:08,799
better advised to buy our magazine

716
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,440
instead the scripting there we go if

717
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,200
you're not a subscriber to the skeptic

718
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:16,159
may i sincerely suggest and implore you

719
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,440
to be one

720
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,360
it's a great uh great journal it's this

721
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,039
world's second oldest magazine it's been

722
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:23,600
going for over 30 years

723
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,799
huge 34. do i hear any advance on 34 the

724
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,559
back of the room 34.

725
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,760
thank you tim

726
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,760
um there's another copy there there are

727
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,279
some copies out on the table you can

728
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,240
look at yes the the magazine please see

729
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,919
tim manum who's running out the door

730
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,360
over there right now

731
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,039
if you're not a subscriber you can

732
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,960
subscribe the price hasn't changed in

733
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,399
years and years and years and years it's

734
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:45,840
still forty four dollars delivered to

735
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,399
your door or for half that amount twenty

736
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,279
two dollars sent to your inbox uh via

737
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,120
email which is a great way to subscribe

738
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,440
to our magazine and it certainly does

739
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:57,360
help the australian skeptics do what we

740
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:58,159
do

741
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,039
and i

742
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,679
i'm sorry that our uh esteemed colleague

743
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:04,159
dr rachel dunlop's not here tonight

744
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,039
because

745
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,480
for those of you who keep up with these

746
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,240
matters the australian vaccination

747
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:10,240
network or as they're called now the

748
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,080
australian vaccination skeptics network

749
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,789
thank you

750
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,320
are in uh

751
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:22,080
no end of trouble they've been hammered

752
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,519
from all sides i mean we've been

753
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,960
hammering as you know ladies and

754
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,559
gentlemen we've been hammering them for

755
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,960
years and years and years it's been a

756
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:31,440
long and very hard battle but they're in

757
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:32,480
tatters

758
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,080
they're getting hammered by government

759
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,320
departments by the media there was a

760
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,799
story just the other day about the low

761
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,799
rates of vaccination in certain parts of

762
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,399
the country

763
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,919
so that's that's a good thing and this

764
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,279
is one of the things that australian

765
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,600
skeptics uh do

766
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,519
when when you think well what what what

767
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,519
do we do the australian skeptics yes we

768
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,840
have fun researching paranormal topics

769
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,440
and ghosts and all that sort of stuff

770
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,679
that that's good fun but i guess on the

771
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,679
serious side we do hound these

772
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,320
anti-scientific people who are putting

773
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,559
uh certainly lots of young lives at

774
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,359
risks at risk especially those people

775
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,960
who try to

776
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:12,639
sell the population on the idea of

777
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,440
something like homeopathic vaccination

778
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,079
but don't go to the doctor to get your

779
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,159
scientifically tested vaccination come

780
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,079
to us we'll give you a vial of water or

781
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,919
sugar pills and that will protect you

782
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,000
from measles and polio or if you're

783
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,919
going overseas dengue fever or something

784
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:29,040
like that

785
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,560
so believe me ladies and gentlemen

786
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,280
behind the scenes we are continually

787
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,040
working away

788
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,359
on these various fronts

789
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,760
and and occasionally we have we have

790
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:41,280
strong victories and it does give us a

791
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,599
good feeling i must say

792
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,440
you can all have a good feeling by

793
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,359
joining us later this year here in

794
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,159
sydney at chatswood on november the 28th

795
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,159
of november the 30th for our national

796
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,599
convention this is going to be one of

797
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:55,119
the biggest national conventions we've

798
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,079
had for many years it's going to be sort

799
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,240
of rivaling the amazing meeting we had

800
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,960
here in sydney in 2010 we have the

801
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,640
skeptic's guide to the universe the

802
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,880
biggest skeptical podcast in the world

803
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,200
coming out we have george rubb the

804
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,200
singer skeptical entertainer which is

805
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,880
great news

806
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,359
uh dr rachel dunlop will be certainly be

807
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,599
giving a talk probably about vaccination

808
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,720
who knows

809
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,880
dr karl kruzaniski will be appearing

810
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,880
dick smith as one of us featured

811
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:25,040
presenters peter fitzsimons will be

812
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,240
there

813
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,119
and many more names to be announced the

814
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,520
best thing to do is see tim about more

815
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,200
information about our upcoming

816
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,359
convention or visit our website

817
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,040
google australian skeptics visit the

818
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:40,560
website i think it will be a splendid

819
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:43,680
convention in november in chatswood in

820
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,880
my uh in my enthusiasm i i did forget to

821
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,560
mention that two things two important

822
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,320
things the first thing is that somebody

823
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,720
tonight will give their dinner for free

824
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825
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people and somebody else will

826
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827
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828
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829
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830
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831
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832
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833
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834
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tonight courtesy of the national

835
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geographic channel that's what we're

836
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,560
looking at at the moment on the big

837
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838
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839
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840
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,839
out who wins the cosmos gift pack

841
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,680
so that's all i have to say at the

842
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,680
moment tim what's our dinner situation

843
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:35,599
looking like it's almost there

844
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,400
ten past seven we're hoping

845
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,920
all right check your watch everyone

846
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,160
check your watch

847
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,760
so in about 10 minutes folks will be

848
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,000
coming up and telling you which table

849
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,720
can go up first to the dinner i'm over

850
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:51,040
there for any bribes it's it's quite all

851
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,160
right

852
00:37:04,950 --> 00:36:54,000
i chat amongst yourselves and thank you

853
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:07,910
in a world where the truth is a matter

854
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:15,349
where messages are received from beyond

855
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,510
and reason is sidelined for magical

856
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,510
only three men stand between the truth

857
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,560
and a postmodernist abyss

858
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,520
what date is it 7 8 7 8 this is

859
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,800
impressive it's these harshest

860
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:37,920
impressions they're not they're

861
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,800
photographs of chinese lanterns

862
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,480
we are not well researched yeah because

863
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,079
good god we're full we don't discuss

864
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:45,920
cryptozoology on the show very often

865
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,640
because we don't know anything about it

866
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,560
the price gets lower and lower and lower

867
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:52,160
and then he hits the ceiling it's a

868
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,349
skeptics with a k for the mercy side

869
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:00,320
scaffolding society find us on itunes or

870
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,109
welcome to a week in science from r.a oz

871
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,680
bringing you the signs you need to know

872
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,680
everyone knows that joker the one that

873
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,839
can't resist an april fool's prank or

874
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:15,760
loves winding people up with a fanciful

875
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:18,720
story it's time to look at how and why

876
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,910
so why do we lie believe it or not there

877
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,000
is actually research that looks into why

878
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,839
and how humans lie

879
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,920
one possible explanation is that lying

880
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,400
is tied with our self-esteem as soon as

881
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,160
someone's self-esteem is threatened they

882
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,599
begin to tell bigger and more

883
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,079
complicated lies i once played in a band

884
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,160
and we played at glastonbury why the

885
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,000
other main reason humans lie is to

886
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,240
protect ourselves or someone we know

887
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,000
from something bad happening or to

888
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:50,720
protect privacy eh no i don't know where

889
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,000
karen is lie as humans we also deceive

890
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,560
ourselves experiments show people lie

891
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,720
without realising they only see their

892
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,560
lies when they watch a recording of

893
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:02,960
themselves not me though everything i've

894
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:09,910
but do people always lie the same way

895
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,720
well no people lie more online than they

896
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,400
do face to face

897
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,880
in an experiment people are found to lie

898
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,119
more often in an email exchange than an

899
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,680
online messenger conversation and both

900
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,079
more than face to face

901
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,119
and was about online dating yep we lie

902
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,200
there too with women lying slightly more

903
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,920
than men however men lie more than women

904
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,160
in games with a small monetary reward

905
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,079
but when the stakes are increased men

906
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,160
and women lie the same amount and

907
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:40,960
teenagers yep research shows they lie

908
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,280
more than university students or adults

909
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,440
or maybe they're just more honest about

910
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,640
their lying

911
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,119
and now four fast facts about spotting a

912
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,520
liar

913
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,280
one experiment has shown that different

914
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,119
types of hand gestures may be the way to

915
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,599
spot liars truth tellers use rhythmic

916
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,680
gestures and lies speech prompting

917
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:02,000
gestures one tactic that might trip up

918
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,599
lies is by getting them to tell their

919
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,280
story in reverse

920
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,119
the brain effort required to invent a

921
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,280
story in reverse is far higher than

922
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,079
ford's a third way to tell a liar get

923
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,480
them to draw a picture liars generally

924
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,160
don't prepare for that so can find it

925
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,800
tough to draw their story and finally

926
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:20,800
the old myth about lies avoiding eye

927
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,680
contact is not true in fact too much eye

928
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,240
contact may be a giveaway as liar looks

929
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,560
to see if you're believing their story

930
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,880
that's it for this week in science for

931
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:33,280
more information on honesty and lying go

932
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,910
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933
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934
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:45,280
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935
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,309
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936
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,560
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937
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,160
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938
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,640
we are convinced that the greatest ideas

939
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,880
in science are quite easy to grasp as

940
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:10,960
long as they're presented with passion

941
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,520
using a vocabulary common to all curious

942
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:16,000
minds whatever their academic background

943
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,280
if any

944
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,359
you don't understand french yet oh it's

945
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,920
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946
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,760
written transcript on the website and

947
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,680
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948
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,680
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949
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,880
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950
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:31,520
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951
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,200
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952
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,000
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953
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,280
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954
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:39,760
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955
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,359
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956
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957
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,000
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958
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,560
that's in one word you also find us on

959
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,960
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960
00:42:13,910 --> 00:41:55,040
hopefully at

961
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,910
from the australian competition and

962
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,160
consumer commission

963
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,280
scam watch here is the latest scam watch

964
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,079
notification and i think this is valid

965
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,800
for just about anywhere around the world

966
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,960
march 2014

967
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,680
scam watch and telstra the australian

968
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,240
phone company are warning consumers to

969
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,560
hang up the phone if they receive a call

970
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,720
out of the blue from someone claiming

971
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,040
there is a problem with their internet

972
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,760
connection or computer recent months

973
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,640
have seen a surge in reports of scammers

974
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,560
calling people at home and raising a

975
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,040
false alarm that they are at risk of

976
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,960
their internet being disconnected

977
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,440
immediately as their computer has been

978
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,160
hacked or infected with malware or is

979
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,920
threatening telstra's internet

980
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,240
infrastructure the caller claims that

981
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,160
they are able to fix the problem on the

982
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,880
spot however a fee for this service will

983
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,440
need to be paid and the person will also

984
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,520
need to download software that will

985
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:13,920
allow the caller remote access to their

986
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,040
computer if the person resists or

987
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,319
questions the scammer they up the ante

988
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,720
scammers have reportedly threatened to

989
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,720
sue people for putting telstra's

990
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,960
infrastructure at risk when the person

991
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,200
has requested proof that they are a

992
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,079
telstra rep scammers have given out a

993
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,560
fake number for telstra which when the

994
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:36,800
consumer calls puts them back on the

995
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,280
line with the scammer if you provide

996
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,359
your credit card details and give them

997
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,440
remote access to your computer the

998
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,760
scammer may not only take more than the

999
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,520
stated fee

1000
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,599
but also infect your computer to gain

1001
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,920
access to your personal information and

1002
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,720
commit other acts of fraud scammers

1003
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,119
often pose as well-known or reputable

1004
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,280
businesses to try and convince you that

1005
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,839
they're the real deal with telstra a

1006
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,359
popular target

1007
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,839
scammers pretending to be from telstra

1008
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,880
have been known to switch consumers to

1009
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,200
another service provider that the

1010
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,079
consumer did not knowingly agree to

1011
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,839
scammers don't just fish for your

1012
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,720
details over the phone they also send

1013
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,560
phishing emails

1014
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,640
pretending to be from telstra or big

1015
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,119
pond to try and get you to hand over

1016
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:26,880
your account details

1017
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,319
or to click on a link to open a document

1018
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,920
infected with malware the yellow pages

1019
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,240
directory scam has also targeted

1020
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,319
australian small businesses with

1021
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,280
scammers deceiving them to sign up to an

1022
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,839
online business directory service that

1023
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,240
falsely claims to be affiliated with

1024
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,480
census and telstra

1025
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,680
watch out

1026
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,160
scammers know how to press your buttons

1027
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,240
when they get you on the phone if you

1028
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,760
receive a call out of the blue from

1029
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,000
someone claiming to represent telstra

1030
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:00,480
and they ask for access to your computer

1031
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,920
just hang up this is how the scam works

1032
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,920
you receive a phone call out of the blue

1033
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,200
from someone claimed to be a

1034
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,520
representative from telstra or telstra

1035
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,680
bigpond they may sound like the real

1036
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,760
deal claiming to be from telstra

1037
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,560
technical support or using technical

1038
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,599
jargon

1039
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,440
the caller claims that you need to take

1040
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,920
immediate action to avoid your internet

1041
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,920
connection being terminated or

1042
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,319
disconnected as your computer has been

1043
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:28,960
hacked or infected with malware and is

1044
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,839
threatening telstra's internet

1045
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,480
infrastructure

1046
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,800
in order to fix the problem the caller

1047
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,640
will claim that you need to pay a

1048
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,440
service fee typically around ten dollars

1049
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:41,280
to have a specialist look at your

1050
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,400
computer

1051
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,079
they will also ask you to download a

1052
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,400
software program so that they can gain

1053
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:49,440
remote access to your computer and run a

1054
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,720
scan

1055
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,480
the scammer may initially sound

1056
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,960
professional and knowledgeable however

1057
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,880
they will be very persistent and may

1058
00:46:02,790 --> 00:45:59,440
become abusive if you don't do what they

1059
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,800
ask they may even threaten to sue you

1060
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,560
for putting telstra's internet

1061
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:06,880
infrastructure at risk

1062
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,839
if you provide your financial details or

1063
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,839
give remote access

1064
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,480
you might find a lot more money taken

1065
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:16,240
out of your bank account than you agreed

1066
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,960
to

1067
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,119
with some victims reporting losing over

1068
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,359
five thousand dollars from multiple

1069
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,480
withdrawals your computer may also be

1070
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:27,119
infected with malicious software giving

1071
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,319
scammers access to your personal details

1072
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,000
stored on the device

1073
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,880
including bank account information

1074
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:36,880
note you don't have to be a telstra

1075
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,920
customer to be called by these scammers

1076
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,400
you don't even have to own a computer

1077
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,640
i would add a side note here to say most

1078
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,280
calls i get are from someone claiming to

1079
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:50,160
be from microsoft wanting to fix my

1080
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,280
computer

1081
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,960
protect yourself

1082
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,200
if you receive a phone call out of the

1083
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,880
blue from someone claiming to be a

1084
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,599
representative of telstra and their call

1085
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,839
relates to a problem with your internet

1086
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,079
connection just hang up

1087
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,680
if you have any doubts about the

1088
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,760
identity of any caller who claims to

1089
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,000
represent a business organization or

1090
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,560
government department contact the body

1091
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:13,760
directly

1092
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,720
don't rely on contact details provided

1093
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,920
by the person

1094
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,839
find them through an independent source

1095
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,920
such as the phone book or an online

1096
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,040
search

1097
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,520
remember that you can still receive scam

1098
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,400
calls even if you have a private number

1099
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,319
or have listed your phone number on the

1100
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,400
australian government's do not call

1101
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,599
register

1102
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,520
scammers can obtain your number

1103
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,240
fraudulently or from anywhere it has

1104
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:40,800
been publicly listed such as the phone

1105
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,760
book

1106
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,079
don't let scammers press your buttons

1107
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,160
scammers use detailed scripts to

1108
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,319
convince you that they are the real deal

1109
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,880
and create a high pressure situation to

1110
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,760
make a decision on the spot

1111
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,520
always keep your computer up to date

1112
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,000
with anti-virus and anti-spyware

1113
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,720
software and a good firewall

1114
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:02,880
only buy a computer and antivirus

1115
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,000
software from a reputable source

1116
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,720
never give your personal credit card or

1117
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:11,280
online account details over the phone

1118
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unless you made the call and the phone

1119
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number came from a trusted source

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00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,200
never give a stranger remote access to

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computer even if they claim to be from a

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00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,680
reputable business

1123
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,599
if you think your computer security has

1124
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,760
been compromised use your security

1125
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,079
software to run a virus check

1126
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,400
if you still have doubts contact your

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00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,559
antivirus software provider

1128
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,559
or a computer specialist

1129
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,480
if you think you have provided your

1130
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,800
account details to a scammer contact

1131
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,200
your bank or financial institution

1132
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,119
immediately

1133
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:47,680
you can report scams to the a triple c

1134
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,119
via the scam watch report a scam page or

1135
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,559
by calling

1136
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,960
one three zero zero

1137
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,800
seven nine five

1138
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,960
nine nine five this information comes

1139
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:01,520
courtesy of the scam watch web page at

1140
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:35,990
dot a u

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tv

1142
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:53,990
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1143
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:56,079
zone and what a mixed bag it was this

1144
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,880
week

1145
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all sorts of different things

1146
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,720
cropping up in this week's episode of

1147
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,079
the skeptic zone

1148
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:03,920
thank you to those listeners who are

1149
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,040
very uh kind and chip in

1150
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:09,119
less than a dollar a week and if you uh

1151
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,240
want to do that just visit

1152
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,720
www.skeptics.com

1153
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,079
and with paypal

1154
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,800
you can start some micro payments

1155
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,480
less than a dollar a week and it really

1156
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,559
does help me keep the show

1157
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,000
ticking over

1158
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,760
i'm looking forward to the amazing

1159
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,319
meeting of course later on in the year

1160
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,480
in las vegas and i'll certainly be doing

1161
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:30,000
my best running around with my

1162
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:31,359
microphone to get

1163
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,319
lots of amazing interviews and before i

1164
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,640
go a big shout out to

1165
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,480
joe alabaster

1166
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,599
hi joe

1167
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,960
who are you here from time to time on

1168
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,640
the skeptic zone we seem to interview

1169
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,200
her a bit every now and then joe has

1170
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:47,440
been helping me greatly in the last week

1171
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,400
or so

1172
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,119
cataloging the entire run of the skeptic

1173
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,119
zone with the contents of the sho each

1174
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,760
show and who the major interview was

1175
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,079
this is all going to be very useful um

1176
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,800
for susan goebeck and her

1177
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,359
programs there involving wikipedia

1178
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,839
thanks joe really appreciate that but

1179
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,200
for this week

1180
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:09,680
this is richard saunders looking for his

1181
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:12,079
rubber lifeboat

1182
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,910
you've been listening to the skeptic

1183
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:21,440
zone